Rick Warren has been making quite a stink about “defending” so-called traditional marriage from Teh Gays. But the more he talks, the more it becomes apparent he has no clue about the history of marriage at all. From the San Francisco Chronicle’s Jon Carrol:
Here’s a lovely quote you may wish to put in your scrapbook:
“For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion - not just Christianity - has defined marriage as a contract between men and women. There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2 percent of our population. This is one issue that both Democrats and Republicans can agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain have publicly opposed the redefinition of marriage to include so-called ‘gay marriage.’ Even some gay leaders, like Al Rantel of KABC, oppose watering down the definition of marriage. … Of course, my longtime opposition is well known. This is not a political issue, it is a moral issue that God has spoken clearly about. There is no doubt where we should stand on this issue. … This will be a close contest, maybe even decided by a few thousand votes. I urge you to vote yes on Proposition 8 - to preserve the biblical definition of marriage. Don’t forget to vote!”
There’s so much wrong with that quote, I don’t know where to start. Islam, a reasonably well-known religion, has defined marriage as a contract between one man and as many as four women. I note that the speaker skillfully slides over that well-known custom; would he, one wonders, support a law allowing for polygamous marriages, since it is sanctioned by a popular monotheistic religion? No, he’s just cherry-picking.
Homosexuality was and is permitted in many cultures around the world. Even where it is not sanctioned, it is common and tolerated. Sometimes it is forced underground, turning gay people into criminals and making them more susceptible to both blackmail and disease. Does the speaker believe that criminalizing that private and nonviolent behavior constitutes an action of Christian charity?
Sadly he and his ilk do. They think they’re saving us from burning in hell by making our lives here on earth a living hell, even to the point that we kill ourselves in despair. Or so they claim.
And in what sense is the definition of marriage “watered down” by allowing gays to marry? Surely legalizing same-sex unions strengthens bonds, gives gays a greater stake in a free and peaceful society and makes the care of children of gay couples more stable and more loving.
Oh, but allowing gay people to marry destroys marriage for straight couples. They’ve given all sorts of valid reasons like, um…um… Well I’m sure they would give them if they existed.

We don’t invite Nazis to speak at the inauguration. We don’t invite Holocaust deniers. We don’t invite officials of the Ku Klux Klan. There are plenty of ministers who personally oppose same-sex marriage but do not get involved in political battles, allowing their parishioners to vote their consciences as opposed to ordering them to support one side. For that matter, there are plenty of ministers who support same-sex marriage. They are men and women of God, scholars, people who minister to the sick and watch over the dying. They too have purpose-driven lives, and their purposes are rather more admirable than leading a fight to take away previously granted rights from gays and lesbians.
Sadly Obama has a long history of associating with vicious homophobes and using them to suck up to the RRRW. Warren is just the latest in this trend. I have yet to see him “reach out” to the KKK, and I’m not holding my breath.
Now from Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jethá in Psychology Today:
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Rick Warren, the controversial evangelist Obama has invited to speak at his inauguration tells Ann Curry in an NBC interview that, “For five thousand years, every single culture and every single religion has defined marriage as a man and a woman.”
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The prerequisite for this sort of absolute declaration is absolute ignorance of what one is talking about. In fact, the world is teeming with innumerable examples of marriage that would be unrecognizable to Warren and other so-called traditionalists.
Two spirited ones (formerly known as berdache) were commonly found in many Amerindian cultures. They were either biological males who felt the presence of a female soul so strongly that they chose to live their lives as women or vice-versa, females who chose to live as men. Pedro de Magalhães de Gandovo described such women — whom he called Amazons — in 1576: “The wear their hair cut in the same way as the men, and go to war with bows and arrows and pursue game, always in company with men; each has a woman to serve her, to whom she says she is married, and they treat each other and speak with each other as man and wife.”
The Mosuo people of China practice a form of courtship and sexual interaction anthropologists have called walking marriage, which consists basically of women being completely free to sleep with whomever they like, with children being cared for by the woman’s family — her brothers being paternal figures. Biological paternity is a non-issue. Every night is seen as an independent event, with no expectation of permanence or even continuity.
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Gay people who are accepted by society and women with complete sexual freedom. Wouldn’t that send the Fundies into paroxysms?
Among the Canela, “Virginity loss is only the first step into full marriage for a woman.” There are several other steps needed before the Canela society considers a couple to by truly married, including the young woman’s gaining social acceptance through her service in a “festival men’s society,” which includes sequential sex with fifteen to twenty members (no pun intended) and “the mother in law’s receipt of meat earned by the bride through extramarital sex” on a festival day.
Got that? Part of the marrying process is group sex followed by a gift to the mother-in-law-to-be of meat gained in exchange for sexual shenanigans with men other than the husband-to-be.
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Apart from expectations of permanence or social recognition, what about virginity and sexual fidelity? Are they universal and integral parts of marriage? Apparently not. For many societies, virginity is so unimportant there isn’t even a word for the concept in their language.
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So when defenders of traditional marriage make their appeals to some universally-accepted notion of what marriage is, they’re talking through their hats. No such institution exists, or ever has.
Rick Warren doesn’t know anything about Traditional Marriage. He obviously doesn’t even know that according to the Bible he cites as the reason gay people don’t deserve equal rights, polygamy and multiple concubines were considered Traditional Marriage. ( Exodus 21:10, 2 Samuel 5:13, 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 1 Kings 11:3, 2 Chronicles 11:21, Deuteronomy 21:15-16). Therefore he shouldn’t proclaim himself defender of Traditional Marriage nor arbiter of who can or cannot participate in it.
In the meantime I have some recommended reading for Warren so he can educate himself on the realities of marriage traditions.
Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe
Anxious Pleasures: The Sexual Lives of an Amazonian People
World History of Male Love
Homosexuality in the Ancient World (Studies in Homosexuality, Vol 1)


