The Gaytheist Agenda

They’re apparently not content with eradicating our constitutionally guaranteed marriage rights. They want to harm us for having the audacity to exercise our First Amendment rights as well. Of course I’m not the least bit surprised. I’ve known for a long time that it’s not just marriage equality they want to destroy, but every semblance of rights GLBT people have managed to get in the United States. Marriage rights are but one step in the process. But the fact that we’re refusing to take this latest assault lying down–that we have the audacity to not quietly obey what they consider a divine edict–has driven them into a frenzy.

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I’ll post this here, too.

If you are a Californian who voted “Yes” on Prop 8, you better start organizing and march on the California Assembly with hundreds of thousands of angry protesters, and scare the living daylights out of them, or they will surely betray you.

Maybe some of them can be “scared straight”

This post has been edited by SeekerB: Today, 03:22 PM

Oh, really? What exactly do these practices of scaring the living daylights out of and scaring straight involve? If they’re anything like Mormon Mason’s ideas I know I won’t like them.

Bring on the persecution…lock and load, baby! My years supply of Ammo is ready…!

Then there’s Brian Terrill. Brian, you’re pretty stupid using your real name on your blog and when you post death threats to other people’s blogs:

“We have a responsibility to follow the scriptures and the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Be grateful we don’t take care of it Old Testament style if you catch my drift.”

Yeah, we understand a death threat when we see it. So how are things over there in Sacramento, Mr. big-muscled dork? (FYI, in addition to hating Teh Gays, Brian also dislikes fat girls and thinks that the US ban on polygamy is an infringement of his “freedom of religion”. It’s also an infringement on his “freedom of religion” to not allow him to kill us pesky gays, apparently. )

And the 20+ threats to Gloria Nieto. I wonder how many of them come from Mormons who think that by making death threats they can scare us back into submission. Make us lay down and take their buying of the California constitution like paid whores.

I don’t think so. This has gone too far now and we’re not backing down. So here’s a message to the Mormons. Stop with the threats. They’re not going to get you what you want. Unless what you want is to be exposed for being the thugs that you are–and any legal repercussions that might come of it.

A final note. Since some of you are suggesting we gays “come to the Bible” might I suggest you peruse my Bible Study for Christians who Voted Yes on Proposition 8. I’ve already been to the Bible, you see. But I think some of you have missed rather critical parts of it.

 

This also goes for all of those who voted in any form of anti-gay legislation. Believe it or not there are more than six verses in the Bible. It’s actually a rather large book. I thought I’d expand your minds a bit. Here are some of the verses you may have never read and, at least from what I’ve observed, certainly do not live by.

Matthew 7:1
Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

Matthew 7:9-12
“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Matthew 25:40
The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

James 2:4
Have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives?

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

Romans 2:1-2
1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.

1 Thessalonians 4:11
And to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you.

 
Now see if you can actually use the Bible to guide your own lives instead of as a weapon against others.

It can be done, you know. I did it for 20 years.

 

Protesters, ACLU ruin our reputation (so says Robert Strong)

I am getting tired of hearing about and seeing all of these protests about the passing of Proposition 8. We are a government “Of the People, For the People, and By the People.” Supporters of Proposition 8 used the system the way it was meant to be used. So, if it angers anyone that it passed, why waste energy with protests? Aren’t they capable of getting a measure on a ballot? Or do they not attempt another ballot measure because they fear the outcome? Are they taking a shortcut by yelling in the streets and acting like idiots?

To begin with, that ballot measure should never have happened. Human rights are not something to be put to a popular vote. Anybody who disagrees should be the first to put their rights to “the will of the people”. Next, Mr. Strong would you consider these people to be “acting like idiots”?

Furthermore, they are yelling at the Mormon Church, for crying out loud. I have seen posters from protesters stating “Separation of Church and State.” How can they ask for separation of church and state when they are demanding to be addressed as a “married” couple, knowing the term “marriage” comes from religion? I’m not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but I at least know that it is not the root of the issue.

Marriage does not come from religion. Religion (Christianity in particular) likes to claim it owns marriage, but it doesn’t. Marriage has existed around the world in every culture both within and without religion. It has been between a man and a woman, a man and multiple women, a woman and multiple men and even people of the same gender (yes, same-sex marriage has existed historically). The “one-man, one-woman” marriage hasn’t existed since time immemorial as much as some would like to have us think.

Marriage is a civil contract. Brigham Young himself said that. Millions of people get married every year without a single tie to a religious group, without the aid of a clergy person, without reference to any deity(s). People need to face the fact that not everybody gets married in a church, nor do they need or want to. Likewise the approval of a church is not required for people to get married, though many churches think they have the right to determine who can get married.

Likewise, I am getting mad at groups such as the ACLU for supporting an effort to overturn Proposition 8. The ACLU’s very name — American Civil Liberties Union — implies that it stands for civil liberties for all Americans, right? Apparently not, if it supports the overturning of Proposition 8. A majority of voters exercised their civil liberties by passing the measure. To step in and violate voters’ civil rights for a second time only invites people like me to further exercise my civil liberties and file a class-action lawsuit against them for violating my rights as a voter.

Knock yourself out, Robert. I’m sure they’ll be laughing along with me. If you consider eradicating the constitutionally guaranteed civil rights of others one of your civil liberties you have serious issues. But go ahead and file that class-action lawsuit.

The ACLU got away with this a few years ago with Proposition 187. How it has managed thus far without going bankrupt from being sued for violating civil rights and liberties is beyond me.

Ah, so you’re a racist as well as a gaycist. I’ve noticed they tend to go together. Now I know. You would have said MLK and those who marched with him were “acting like idiots”.

Grow up, Robert. Your fantasy world where only straight white Christians exist is just that; a fantasy world.

 

 
Now from Locals Protest California’s Prop 8 one particular sentence stands out:

Church groups supporting Proposition 8 say they voted to ban gay marriage in California, but did not target any group.

Let’s see. Proposition 8 read:

ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
* Changes the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California.
* Provides that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

Please explain to me how that is not targeted at any one group. Of course my brain is not a pretzel so I can’t figure it out, but perhaps one of the pretzel-brains can explain to me how ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY doesn’t target one group.

 

 
Now a message to those who are telling us to stop protesting, end the boycotts and be nice little fags…

No. H*ll no. We’re not your sheep whom you can direct like Stepford-wives. We are not going to do whatever you say just because you tell us to. (Yes, I know that scares the stuffing out of you but deal with it.) You will no longer shame us into submission by wagging your fingers and saying we’re naughty. You’ve gone too far and we’re not going to take it any more.

 

Of course though there’s evidence abound they’re denying it left and right, and crying persecution because we have the audacity to call them on it. But just look at this lovely “thank you” they received from a RW blogger.

Proposition 8 would not have passed if it had not been for LDS (Mormon) money and manpower. For their hard work as participants in the process, this small religious group received some of the worst attacks of the political season. They were demonized and stereotyped by opponents of Proposition 8 and sometimes by the mainstream media.
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People who spearhead a campaign to eradicate the constitutionally guaranteed rights of others–especially those who aren’t even in their own state–should have the personal fortitude to stand up to the responses they get (outside of violence, which I do not in any way advocate or condone). Or to put it another way, Ye reap as ye sow.

That aside, did you catch that first sentence? Here it is again in case you missed it.

Proposition 8 would not have passed if it had not been for LDS (Mormon) money and manpower.

That’s right. Without the Mormons and their targeted, multimillion dollar anti-gay campaign of propaganda we’d still have our marriage rights. They might as well have invaded our homes, ransacked them and torn up our marriage licenses. It would have been more honest than what they actually did.

Needless to say I don’t want to hear any more claims that the Mormons didn’t do anything and that The Gays are unfairly targeting them. The Mormons are getting open backslaps from the RW for spearheading the effort to eradicate our rights. Their protests that they didn’t do it ring very, very hollow in the face of that.

 

This deserves a second posting.

 

Proposition 8 passed by a small margin on November 4th. Since then LGBT people and many supporters have been understandably angry. We’ve been protesting and boycotting those who contributed to the eradication of the constitutionally guaranteed right of same-sex couples to marry here in California.

Not surprisingly the bigots are crying persecution. The nasty gays are targeting us they cry. Funny how they don’t seem to think they were targeting us when they were engaging in a multimillion dollar campaign to eradicate our rights.

Those hateful gays are trying to ruin our businesses! They’re engaging in extortion! Really? Why don’t the RRRWers consider it “trying to ruin businesses” or “extortion” when they boycott businesses like McDonalds, Ford and Volvo because they dare to provide benefits to LGBT people or (gasp) advertise to us?

She does not have the right to do what wants with her earned money? (said of a business owner who donated to Yes on 8 and is now being boycotted). Of course she does, but so do we. And we have every right to not give our money to people who are going to turn around and use it against us. People who are going to use it to eradicate our rights. Let business owners who engage in bigotry get their money from other bigots.

Others claim we have no right to protest. We should be good fags, sit down, shut up and listen to the mob that has spoken. One man said, Let’s move on. I always told my children that once a rule was made, you have to abide by it. I think it should be the same in this circumstance. I’m guessing he’d never been on the losing end of a proposition that eradicated a significant fundamental human right.

And of course we’re being hateful anti-religious bigots by speaking out against the religious groups that spearheaded the campaign to strip us of our rights. They didn’t do this out of hatred, mind you, they did it out of love (so they tell us over and over like trained robots). I wonder how convincing they’d find it if I banned their religion–not out of hate mind you, but strictly because I loved them and wanted to do what was best for them. Oh, and the children. Somebody must think of the children.

Nonetheless, by protesting what is a distinctly unfair and cruel situation we are merely engaging in our First Amendment right to Free Speech and Assembly. That’s one thing we haven’t been stripped of by the bigots–yet. No doubt that will be on the next ballot.

Until then, we boycott and protest. If bigots want to spend money to eradicate our rights they need to get it from people other than those they’re trying to harm. And they’re going to have to listen to us while they’re doing it.

 

NO MORE MR NICE GAY

 

It appears some of our godly, peace loving, sweet, Mormon friends are planning violence toward people who attend the various Join the Impact events. It wasn’t good enough for them to eradicate our constitutionally guaranteed right to marry, they want to harm us for engaging in our 1st Amendment right to speak freely and to assemble.

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Bring on the persecution…lock and load, baby! My years supply of Ammo is ready…!

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This post has been edited by MormonMason: Today, 09:21 PM

BTW, don’t bother trying to “dissapear” that post guys. I have a screen capture.

For my LGBT friends and supporters. Be prepared. Not all Mormons have ill intentions, of course, but we have no way of easily discerning which ones do.

 

They keep claiming that the Mormon church wasn’t officially involved in the Yes on 8 campaign. Oh, no, the church had nothing to do with the systematic effort to eradicate our legal, constitutionally guaranteed right to marry.

Bull.

VOTE IT UP!

Let’s see them try to lie their way out of this one.

 

Hat tip Ebon.

Text of Olbermann’s statement can be found here.

 

Mormons are so intent on forcing their religion on others they aren’t content with making illegal (or at least very difficult to get) things they disapprove of like alcohol and same-sex marriage. They are engaging in grievous violations against freedom of religion by posthumously baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims despite repeated requests that they stop. They’ve even broken promises they made to stop. So much for honesty and trust.

Ernest “Ernie” Michel has had it. For 14 years, the now 85-year-old Holocaust survivor has been leading a quiet and cordial charge to ensure that victims of Nazi terror aren’t posthumously baptized by members of the LDS Church.
But on Monday, he and other survivors gathered at The Center for Jewish History in New York to publicly denounce what they said is an ongoing practice by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and, in doing so, end discussions. The group came together exactly 70 years after Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a German pogrom during which Nazis ransacked Jewish synagogues, homes and businesses, killed more than 90 Jews and
Jewish representative Ernest Michel, right, meets LDS representative Elder Todd Christofferson during a 2005 meeting with LDS leaders to discuss the LDS ritual of baptism of the dead. (Paul Fraughton/The Salt Lake Tribune) deported up to 30,000 others to concentration camps.
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LDS Church officials, who met with Michel just one week ago, say they are sorry the relationship seems to have ended this way and feel the church’s work and intentions have been misunderstood.
Michel, of New York, is the honorary chair for the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, which he said has about 180,000 members.

His connection to this issue began as a fluke. He’d seen an article in a Jewish newspaper in the mid-1990s about one Holocaust victim who’d been posthumously baptized by Mormons. So he wrote to then-LDS Church President Howard W. Hunter, seeking an explanation.

He never did hear back from Hunter, but Sen. Orrin Hatch, whom Michel had copied, did respond. In a two-page letter, Hatch explained that this practice was “done out of love for Jewish people,” Michel remembered. “I got that, and then I got suspicious.”
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“My mother and father were killed in the Holocaust for no other reason than they were Jews,” he said earlier. “How can the Mormons victimize them a second time and falsely claim their souls for eternity?”
Over the years, Michel has had many meetings with LDS Church officials, all of them “very pleasant,” he said.
In 1995, he saw progress when the church promised to remove Holocaust victim names from its International Genealogical Index (IGI) and send out on First Presidency letterhead a reminder that proxy baptisms are intended for one’s own ancestors.
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“This has gone on year after year - names given, taken off the list, more names go in. I call it the ‘unstoppable revolving door,’ ” Radkey said from her New York hotel room. “Purging the names isn’t what the Jews want. They want the baptisms to stop.”
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Radkey said hundreds of names, mostly Dutch Holocaust victims, have made the church’s master list in the past few months. Some recently discovered records used to do proxy baptisms even had the words “Auschwitz” or “Polish death camp” on them, she said.
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Respect our religious beliefs! the Mormons cry. Yet they refuse requests to stop forcing their religion on people–even after they’re dead. After spending $20 million on the Yes on 8 campaign and campaigning vociferously to eradicate our marriage rights the Mormons claimed, “We were only defending our deeply held religious beliefs–why are they being targeted?”. How do they not see the irony of legislating their religion on others then crying “persecution!”?

Why should any respect be shown to people (or to their beliefs) when they show not one iota of respect to others or to those people’s beliefs? When they go to such extensive lengths to impose their religion on others they simply go too far. The First Amendment promises Freedom of Religion, and these individuals are violating it in the worst possible way.

At tonight’s vigil my wife held a sign that said We Will Not Submit to a Mormon Divorce on one side. On the side that wasn’t facing the camera the sign said We’re All Mormons Now–Whether We Like It Or Not . And that seems to be their ultimate goal. To make us all Mormons–whether we like it or not.